0,,10429~6071334,00At the height of the hunt-and-dismember-Fred-Goodwin fun a couple of months ago, Daniel Finkelstein argued that Goodwin was making a mistake in putting his pension ahead of his reputation:

“He has overestimated the marginal value of money…in other words, he would rather keep the cash and pay for it with his reputation and standing in society.”

I think that Roberto Martínez has overestimated the marginal value of Wigan.

I have a post, written immediately after the Champion’s League final and never now to be published, that looked at the similarities between Guardiola, Mourinho and Martínez. Admittedly, it was mostly going to look at their clothing decisions, but it seemed like a good idea in light of the ‘Junior Barcelona’ tag that Swans fans were growing fond of. I didn’t publish it at the time because, while writing it, I realised that I was putting a couple of spurious connections (sartorial and geographic) above a more accurate conclusion: that Martínez was a young Arsene Wenger.

How did he resemble Wenger? Let me count the ways:

  1. Personality: a softly spoken, articulate, thoughtful, occasionally acerbic anglophile (cymrofile?).
  2. Football ‘Philosophy’: emphasis on possession, patience, intricate passing and a preference for walking it in.
  3. Management Style: the club and the manager meld into one organic entity. The manager’s approach is comprehensive and he introduces Woodward-esque control beyond the first team and into the scouting, youth development etc. His personality and image come to dominate the club, and the loyalty of the playing and coaching staff is his rather than the club’s. This pattern had, to an extent, been there from the start with Martínez, but it was particularly evident following the Fulham FA Cup game.

Martínez will still provide refreshingly original reflections on the game and use the word ’synonymous’ in his post-match interviews at Wigan. He will also get them to knock the ball about in a fairly pretty fashion. But whatever his new chairman said this week, I don’t think he is going to be allowed the necessary time and control to be a little Arsè in the Premier League – especially at a minnow like Wigan, a team that has unquestionably over-achieved in the last couple of seasons. Dave Whelan is a lot of things, but he is not Steve Gibson.

And the issue goes beyond whether the relative conditions make it worthwhile swapping Swansea for Wigan. Above all else, Martínez’s problem is now one of moral authority. The ‘management style’ described above is almost entirely dependent on the perception that the manager is the most committed person at the football club, the one most dedicated to the ‘project’. Wenger’s just proved his loyalty again by snubbing Real’s advances; Martínez has only demonstrated that he is your average careerist grasper and that he will always have one eye on what he thinks is a juicier appointment. He had credibility when he lectured Bodde about loyalty at Swansea; will he still have it when he tries to repeat the trick with Valencia and Scharner?

Added to this, obviously, he has completely sacrificed his reputation at Swansea. He is delusional if he thinks that we will all be crossing our fingers and sending good vibes to the DW Stadium.

So, in sum, I believe Martínez has destroyed his reputation amongst people who used to idolise him, and, in doing so, has undermined his credibility and chances of future success as a manager.

Adios, Amigo.

(It still stings).

8 Responses to “Why Roberto Martínez has made a mistake (pt.1)”

  1. Ken McKenzie Says:

    “Martínez has only demonstrated that he is your average careerist grasper”

    Either ignorant, or deliberately blind to the fact that Martinez spent six seasons at Wigan, was voted Wigan fan’s all time cult hero player in 2004, came to the UK with Wigan and was most Wigan fans’ first choice to join us when Jewell left. There was an overwhelming fan campaign

    Oh, and if you’re going to use the dismal ‘big club’ argument we, Wigan Athletic (ave attendence in 2008/9, 18,350, ground capacity 25,000) are in the Premiership and Swansea (ave attendence in 2008/9, 15,187, ground capacity 20,252) are not.

    Roberto was with us for longer than he was with you. We brought him to the UK. Our fans voted him one of our favourite players ever. We have a bigger ground, we have a higher average attendance – we have a higher *record* attendance, for goodness sake – we play in a division higher than you.

    How can you possibly say this was purely money motivated? It’s largely *because* he’s loyal he came to us!

    And to think Wiganers all wished Swansea all the best while he was in charge!

  2. jgronayne Says:

    Hi Ken,
    Thanks for the comment, and sorry for the slow approval/response.

    The Big Club Argument: Of course Wigan is a bigger club than Swansea – all stats you highlight demonstrate that. But I didn’t claim otherwise in the post; when I referred to you as ‘minnows’ it was in the context of the Premier League – and in the PL you are unquestionably one of the smallest – if not the smallest club (for example, as you’re no doubt aware, you had the lowest attendance in the PL in 2008/09).

    The point I was making was that you have probably been punching above your weight for the past few years, that Martinez will be moving to a high-pressure environment with very little prospect of improving on what has gone before and is unlikely to be given the same sort of freedom and time as he would have at Swansea.

    Money/Careerism: I’m not saying that the move was purely motivated by money – in fact, I understand that in an effort to stop him leaving our chairman offered Roberto almost as much as he’ll be getting with you. I’m saying it was Martinez’s ambition – his desire to manage in the PL – that overrode everything else. It was his ego rather than his greed that made the choice.

    Loyalty: I’m aware of the strength of the relationship between Martinez and Wigan, and I understand that it is stronger than his links with the Swans. I agree that his history with you was a factor in the move, but I think that you are overestimating its importance. I think the easiest way to think about it is: if you had been relegated last season would Roberto still have moved? I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have (although I bet you disagree ☺). It was the lure of the PL and not his emotional attachment to Wigan that made the difference. It’s also a pretty strange idea that in walking out on us Martinez was in some way making an impressive show of loyalty – would Liverpool fans be expected to applaud Benitez’s ‘loyalty’ if with years left on his contract he was to leave them to return to Real Madrid?

    I also think that you’re ‘either ignorant, or deliberately blind’ to the nature of Martinez’ time here as manager and the manner of his departure. If he had made it clear that he was looking to move on that would be one thing: we could have prepared for the future and everyone would be clear where they stood. But he did the opposite of that: he stated on a number of occasions that he would have to be dragged out of the club, he criticised former players and players hesitating over new contracts about their lack of commitment, and regularly talked about the long-term plan for Swansea. But when a PL club, admittedly one he had a connection with, came calling he accepted the offer immediately (on the phone to DW prior to the Swans being formally approached). Add to this the fact that he has taken most of the backroom with him and it is clear that, as our chairman said, he has ripped the heart out of the club. And now he has signed Gomez, and is reported to be sniffing around Scotland and Rangel.

    There is an issue of disloyalty and hypocrisy here, but more than that the point I was trying to make in the post is that Roberto has allowed short-term ambition to override everything else. But it’s hardly surprising that we see this differently!

    Anyway, thanks again for your comment.

  3. Ken McKenzie Says:

    James,

    If we’d gone down (I’d have been surprised – we’re quite good), no, I don’t think he’d have come to Wigan. As it happens, I also don’t think he’d have come if you’d gone up.

    I can see why you’re hacked off. But you’ve been unlucky. At this stage of his career, I am 100% sure that we’re the only football club in the country he’d have left you for (well, obviously he’d have said yes if Man U, et al, had offered, but that wasn’t going to happen). But Roberto both has an affection for us, and also feels he owes our chairman (who has a way of making people feel they owe him).

    I can see why you’re vitriolic, but I think that, at the time Roberto made the comments about Swansea, he meant them, rather than caveating them with ‘of course, if Wigan do well this season and then Steve Bruce inexplicably skiddaddles to a club who just avoided relegation by the skin of their teeth in order to trouser a fat wedge, then all bets are off’. I doubt he expected the Wigan job to be available, and even if he thought it might be, what is he supposed to say? Was he supposed to dither a bit to make you feel better? Or is it more respectful to actually just get on with it and let Swansea start afresh as quickly as possible.

    I guess Wigan fans are a bit more used to this kind of thing. We expect once Roberto has brought us a few trophies and a style of football that will make the Ajax side of the 70s come to the DW to say ‘that’s how we wanted to play’, a bigger club will come in for him and we’ll have to find someone else. It’s always the way. Hopefully Arjan de Zeeuw will fancy managing.

    IN fact, Roberto has got a very good chance of improving. Football League Division One (as it should be called) is actually very simple. There are four (maybe five now) very good teams. If you take a point off any of them, it is a ’shock’ and all their fans get very upset. It is tremendous fun when that happens. Then you have 15-16 teams who are all not a lot better than each other. Every season, one or two of those teams (let’s call them Everton and Villa) are a bit better, but you can usually look to get something from them at home and at least annoy their fans away. Then there’s probably one or two (in alternate seasons one is West Brom), who are obviously worse than everyone else. That leaves a pretty big window of opportunity which we exploited rather nicely until this season until, with hindsight, Steve Bruce gave up in January. If Roberto can keep the core of the team together and maybe improve the wings (look away Sir Alex – Valencia isn’t worth £16m), we have a good shot at European football. That’s an improvement in anyone’s book.

    Oh, and for the record, I think all the ‘bigger’ club stuff is nonsense. We’re not ‘bigger’ than Swansea, we’re just in a division above you at the moment. I think I was reacting to an attack that wasn’t really happening.

    Good luck for next season, and do try to do the double over Preston for us. OH, and I notice that you have Newcastle at the end of November. They traditionally get really fed up with their manager around about then, so if you can give them a bit of a good hiding, you might be able to get him the sack. That’s always fun.

  4. jgronayne Says:

    Hi Ken,
    Thanks again for commenting. As you can tell, things tend to go quite slowly around here, but I thought I’d pick up on a few things from your last post.

    Things have moved on: we’ve got a manager who is so slick that Martinez is now referred to as the ‘Primark Sousa’. Whether it’ll hold together on the pitch is another matter and we are certainly a striker and a couple of defenders short of a solid squad. Oh, and you’ve signed the only players who scored for us last year. But the main point is that, entirely predictably, the bitterness is fading quite quickly and has turned into a kind of curiosity about seeing Roberto on MOTD.

    On the Martinez’s ‘drag me out’ comments you’re right to say that he was never going to caveat his declarations of love, but that is not the only alternative. He could just as easily have not said those things, or expressed his commitment in more moderate terms (I’m aware that I’m sounding a bit like a psychotic ex-girlfriend here).

    Good to see that you’re feeling optimistic about the season ahead – and who wouldn’t be after giving Preston a hiding? Obviously you’ve got a more detailed knowledge of your squad, potential etc but I’m not sure I can see how you’ll make it into the hallowed Europa League: Big Four + Plus Best-of-the-Rest Two (Everton and Villa) leaves one place for Man City or Spurs, surely? I would have thought a top ten finish would be pretty satisfactory, but…

    Coincidentally, our thumping win over Preston last year was, for me, one of the highlights of the season. You’ll probably be interested in seeing the photo and list of goal scorers in the match report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/7845625.stm

    Cheers,
    James

  5. Badfinger Taffy Says:

    Just wanted to congratulate you on your article and of course the comments that followed. Very intersting and ballanced arguement and as tim you pointed out we Jacks are now watching every RM interview and checking their scores straight after our own. My prediction after just 2 games gone for Wigan is that theyw will finish bottom half of the table. Other predictions are that JS Scotland will onoly make guest appearances and Gomez will have a flat season.

  6. seabreeze_11 Says:

    When Martinez went to Wigan we get a few million , I believe , for compensation . We made very good money compliments of Roberto. Scotland made us a healthy profit , if I’m not mistaken . Bodde hasn’t played for us in almost a year , and I wholeheartedly believe he will be gone before the season is over to another team , why not Wigan . Our old manager who put us on the map , and Scotland , are living there dream , why not Bodde . Martinez got us Bodde for cheap , protected our interest , and our Dutch partners interest when Derby came calling . Martinez could make us , and our partners good money on a player that want’s to go to the Premier league team with a great manager , why not Martinez . We have an opportunity here to keep good friendships with Wigan , DA Haag , Martinez and Bodde while making good money off of players that Roberto brought to our team , then payed us good money after we used him and those players to get us where we are now . And Roberto brought in other great players that our worth more to use now than before we bought them . Sorry , but I’m of the mind of building bridges with Martinez and Wigan , rather than burn them . Roberto put us on the map with opportunity to build , thanks buddy , and good luck Wigan .

  7. Badfinger Taffy Says:

    Just wanted to congratulate you on your article and of course the comments that followed. Very interesting and balanced argument and as you pointed out we Jacks are now watching every RM interview and checking their scores straight after our own.

    My prediction after just 2 games gone for Wigan is that they will finish bottom half of the table, maybe even a relegation battle. Other predictions are that JS Scotland will only make guest appearances and Gomez will have a flat season.

  8. DragonPhilljack Says:

    Great article James, could not have put it better myself! I think that all true Swansea Supporter feel that Roberto sold his soul, and abandoned the Swansea project half way through, and the manner of his departure was a very bitter pill to swallow indeed, his credibility as a manager for me will never be the same, and this move of his to Wigan will ultimately be his undoing! there will be thousands of true Swansea Supporters who will be watching this space with great interest and eager anticipation of his downfall, as a just reward for his hypocrisy, of which Seabreeze you are not one!


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